google before you post

i am seeing lots of reactions, mostly on io9 where they reprinted the article about me on Wired, that have misconceptions. i would very much like it if the uneducated masses who like to call me an idiot would disavail themselves of the following precepts:

1. that i cost the NHS money without contributing to it.
no, i pay taxes just like you do, and fund the NHS just like you. some of my experiments have led to hospital, one to an overnight stay; i've never been in ICU, and the service is meant to help all people, not just people with tragic accident-related injuries.

2. that i sacrificed all or some of my sense of touch. i did not. next.

3. that you are just as much a "cyborg" as i am because you use an iPhone and wear glasses. fuck off if you are going to tell me that what i do is pointless, and i do not want to debate the definition of 'cyborg' with any normal.

4. that i don't do this voluntarily, and it's some sort of compulsion; also that because you can buy topical anaesthetic creams for stings and burns, that must mean those would work fine for surgery and would definitely go deep enough, so i must just "like the pain". do your goddamn research.



Lutz said...

i just watched the 27c3 talk of yours and loved it. I wouldn't want to do any d.i.y. body mods myself - mainly because i play guitar and fear it would interfere and because i m a wuss really :D - but i love the spirit of exploration you seem to have. I wish you all the best for future experiments. ;)

Anonymous said...

Don't let the cowards get you down. I read about you on Wired so I did indeed google. You are amazing! Keep on taking the future into your own hands. Do you have plans to do any talks in New York any time soon?

Shaun said...

I too came across this on Wired. I'd comment there, but I've seen those that went before me, and don't fancy that kind of company.

I did find myself instinctively wincing several times during the article, and I think I can flat-out say I don't think it's a path I'd ever chose for myself. So call me normal.

But yesterday's science fiction is constantly becoming tomorrow's applied science. And it'll only happen if someone has the proverbial balls to go there first.

Fascinating, thought provoking, but still a little stomach turning. Thanks for putting curiosity first.

Tinkergirl said...

There's a thread on Reddit about the Wired article now too - and while it started out in the same mold as the io9 comments, there's a few more thoughtful responses peeking through.

Maybe you could consider doing an "IAmA" thread where people can get some of their questions off their chest? Some are genuinely interested in your processes and experiences.

dranorter said...

My favorite was the commenter who asked what possible advantage being immortal, merging with technology, or any other transhumanist pursuit could have.

Came here to say, your story got me thinking what we really need is widespread availability of the stuff which has been at hand in doctors' offices forever. Every degree easier home surgery might get would make more people decide to do it.

Anonymous said...

Any kind of heavy body mod stuff (and even not so heavy) posted on public sites like that always get like 99% idiotic and ill informed comments...

Unknown said...

I too read the Wired article. You are an inspiring visionary. I have long been marginally interested in body modification for aesthetic purposes, but have never done it because I never had compelling artistic inspiration, and I figured there were better things to spend my limited money on. I also have long felt that the next century will see humans finally delving into significant cybernetics, but I always figured it would have to be expensive, high-tech stuff. Both your DIY approach and your more practical modifications are awe-inspiring, putting both concerns to rest. Unfortunately, I'm now in the military, meaning it would be illegal for me to do any of this. But once I'm out, I want to try it out myself.

Josiah said...

Its cool to see a practical use for body modification. I'm interested in your finger-tip magnetic implants; namely, what size magnets did you use? I can't find any place online that sells magnets coated in silicone, so will probably opt for hotgun glue coating. I'm looking at using these- http://www.magnet4less.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_11&products_id=709
as there are no shops that I know of in my area that sell this kind of thing. The site was recommended to me, but if there is somewhere else you know and prefer, I'd rather use a respected dealer.

Is there anything else you could suggest? Any help would be appreciated.

DETN8R said...

Alot of those people on io9 are serious assholes. Just keep doing what your doing. Trying new stuff is what hacking is all about.

If you ever need the insight of a fellow magnetic implantee contact me.

4 years with my magnet this month.

Sedrik said...

Hello, I'd be interested to watch your 27c3 presentation. Any chances to have it available somewhere?


Derpy Hooves said...

Sedrik, you can find the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Dv6dDtdcs

Max said...

Wow, there's a lot of people here now. That's a good thing.
Lepht, you knew this was going to happen. I didn't expect there to be many people like that at 27c3, but there's always a few bad apples, don't let them get you down.

In that other post someone posted a youtube link to the talk, you should be able to watch it there

There's a FAQ still floating around these waters, most common questions are answered there already. Check Lepht's profile

Wouldn't it make more sense to ask for doctors who are willing to do that? I mean, home surgery is a mess and a huge danger even if done properly. Doctors went to med school, if anyone can do it, it's them.

There's a video somewhere in the archives of a surgery involving a magnet, if you're not too squeamish (judging from the fact you wanna do this yourself, you're probably not), you might wanna check it out. Iirc, the magnets have a size of about 2mm by 4mm

On an unrelated note, I've never heard of io9, but I don't seem to have missed much...

Anonymous said...

Talk can be downloaded here from several mirros:


Anonymous said...

If Mdm Curie hadn't worked on radioactivity, we'd not know how it worked or of its potential uses, both good and bad. As you aren't hurting anyone but yourself, then why should anyone decry your attempts to enlighten us all, there are no stupid questions, just those that aren't asked.

spoon said...

I have an MSP430 chip and programmer now. I would like to lend a hand (pun intended)!

Have you already started coding for the southpaw?

I could make an unhygienic version that could not be implanted, as a prototype. But there's no point, if you've already got one!

ianmathwiz7 said...

Wow, people are already starting to flock to this blog. Just remember, Lepht, who your original viewers were :-)

@Tinkergirl: L's FAQ can be found here

@josiah: the magnets are about 2 mm by 4 mm. L uses Sugru for the silicone coating. the video Max was talking about can be found here, or you can read his H+ Magazine article.


Josiah said...

Hey, this is awesome. I've never been big on blogs before, but you guys rock. Thanks. This is just the sort of information I'm looking for.

Kuro said...

Oh, io9. If I were to take up belief in some god or other, I'd pray to them that I was never referred to on io9. Remember my (deleted with the corrected post, I think) comment regarding Wired? Scratch that. As a publication, Wired is worse, as it attempts to be taken far more seriously than io9, but in itself, io9 is by far the worst of the tech tabloids. Indeed, Gawker Media in general is something that the world could do without, the bulk of its devoted readership with it.

Satyr said...

Man... I'm pretty sure you never wanted this kind of publicity. Not to say that I know you or something, but suddenly you've got everyone and their fucking granny on your back.

I must admit, I only came to know about you by someone mentioning you on another forum as well. But still..

The only thing I have to say is that you should totally keep on doing what you are doing and you should pay no attention to the moronic idiots out there that pollute our planet. And most importantly: to keep on being who you are.

When I tell people about the neodymium magnets, they usually react in disgust. However, when I say that it's basically the same as a subdermal, they shut up. That just proves how little think before spewing crap from their facehole.

Greets and lots of support:


webby said...

@josiah and those interested in magnetic implants, take a look:


Max said...

getting people interested and involved in this was the point of doing the lecture. I think Lepht already said so in its talk, but initially it was completely against showing its identity in public. This is basically the best case outcome :)

ianmathwiz7 said...

i think i'll never get used to referring to Lepht as "it." i made a youtube video an hour ago in which i explained that i'd upload the talk and pray i didn't get DMCA'd, and i had to do like three takes before i started referring to L as "it" instead of "she."

and, the people on Wired are being cunts as well. i mean, one person wrote 'Why would anyone want to be reminded when they’re facing North? I’d guess that getting some electrical reminder of that as you’re walking around and you face in a particular direction after the first 400 times might be a mite tedious for most people. I mean, what’s the point? It smacks of some misbegotten need or desire for simply being or appearing “different” with the implication of being “special” or superior in some way, without any basis in fact. Her comment about, “Avoid normal people. They’re stupid” is illuminating about her state of mind. Putting plastic in your body, doing kitchen table amateur surgery to the point of passing out in pain also reflects a kind of narcissistic, egotistical and rather disturbed perspective [...] She’ll be lucky to reach 60. What next, multi-color micro-controlled led’s in each nostril? Whoa, as Keanu might have said. How very sophisticated and advanced. This is bonehead “science” or game-playing for disreputable ends and effects. I call B.S. on Ms. Anonym.'

actually, the LEDs in the nostril might be kinda cool, in a way, if i could actually use them for something...


Director X said...

Saw the video. You did it! Well done, Lepht.

Stiles said...

Interesting article on MIT research involving carbon nanotube implanted tattoo-style for real-time diabetic glucose metering:


mydnight said...

I just watched your 27c3 talk on Youtube, and have a suggestion for the compass module. Have you checked out the Honeywell HMC5883L 3-axis compass IC? Not sure if it's what you're looking for, but it's TINY (3*3*0.9mm) and cheap ($3.79 CAD for 1, that's about 1.50GBP). You can get it from Digikey, the data sheet is at http://media.digikey.com/PDF/Data%20Sheets/Honeywell%20PDFs/HMC5883L.pdf

spoon said...

A lot of folks don't realize that these are experiments. They are first steps, and not any sort of polished, finished product.

Most reactions really aren't too bad: most people just seem to be unimpressed:

Typical comment:
"You're a transhumanist? Bugger off you pretentious wanker!"

Not really surprising! But I don't think anyone is getting out their pitchforks :)

The way I see it, there isn't much point in an implanted compass - but knowing the direction of North isn't the aim of the experiment.

Rather, the purpose is to explore the wonderful world of low-cost, implanted technology. And this is only the beginning!

Also, yay! People read this now. But also, awwww fuck: I hope they don't start chopping themselves up en mass up and dying everywhere. Leave it to Lepht, Kiddies!

spoon said...

Hey! Request for comments!

A wee while ago, I was thinking we should create a wiki.

Now, I think we'd be better creating a website, from scratch - a wiki is not what we need! There are so many wikis about transhumanism, grinding - they don't solve our problems.

What we need a collection of fairly dry scientific reports about implanting shit into your skin. It will

* Document what is going on in a neutral manner. This will help explain the situation to outsiders.

* Improve safety, for anyone who may follow along, by being clear on all methods used.

* Carry a big disclaimer to show that this isn't medical science, it's more like a mix of piercing and computer science, even then it isn't recognized by piercers, yadda yadda, don't sue us or kill yourself by chopping yourself up.

* It will be searchable record of what goes on here.

* It will take a load of work off Lepht - there can be more than one moderator.

* Encourage community development.

I have written a list of requirements which I think would provide what we need - and are in the spirit of the scrapyard transhumanism movement.

Please make your comments known here.

Josiah said...

@spoon honestly anything that presents diy modifications in a more pleasant light would be good. As much as i can relate to the fuck all attitude L. has, most people consider voluntary physical harm extremism and as evidence one needs to be diagnosed with a mental illness.

I would gladly document my procedure this weekend if it would help start something. This is too cool to let conservative bastards ruin

Anonymous said...

You're a college student who puts a conductor underneath their fingertips and begs their parents for money so they can go speak at a convention about 'cybernetics for the masses'.

I'm kind of baffled because you have no real credibility. A couple of conductors buried underneath your skin is about as cybernetic as a wooden pegleg.

The fact of the matter is that people like you take away from the legitimacy of cybernetics and more advanced prosthetics. If you were actually serious about the field, you'd be doing research and something more than cutting yourself in your kitchen.

Maybe you can implant some discipline into yourself and earn a degree so you could someday do big boy research in the field. For now though, have fun dicking around in your parent's bathroom and proclaiming to the world how much of a hardcore cyborg you are.

dranorter said...

@max I suppose you're right, I just feel like technology changes faster than law and right now the law isn't in favor of this stuff. If there is some cheap way of producing effective local anesthetic or analgesic we could find... I mean I don't have the know-how and it's a bit optimistic to think it could be done, but who knows, it could make a big difference.

@ian Haha love the Wired comment you quoted. It can be fun to see how many of the basic premises of life people don't agree on. I think there is definitely a point to being different for the sake of being different, though there are so many other reasons to be different too.

Anonymous said...

If someone cannot accept the fact that you are inflicting pain on yourself, you cannot argue with them. they will try to find a contradiction in the reasons why you are doing what you are doing. But the contradiction lies within themselves and not within you. people try to avoid pain at all cost at all times. you do not. that is the basic contradiction that will cause you problems.
I think it is good that you are contributing to science the way you think is best suited for you.
Whish you all the best

Raoul Duke said...

@ this hypercritical anonymous above

You would've told the (wo)man, who invented the wheel, that that isn't right anyway - because humanity have to wait till a society is formed and build academies. Only that will provide legitimate progress.
Sorry sir, you're talking quite a shit.

Lepht is the real deal here - a true pioneer !

Anonymous said...


There isn't any science or engineering being done. There is no new frontier that Lepht is pioneering, outside of the field of amateur surgery. The closest thing you could call 'progress' is that Lepht believes that coating foreign bodies in glue provides 'bioproofing'. It believes this based off...a little bit of trial and error? Wow.

The sad part is, this place is an echo chamber for Lepht to be validated. 'Biohacker', 'meatspace', and all these other buzzwords thrown about are nothing but adolescent fantasies. The real 'biohackers' out there are people like Dean Kamen and Dr. Robert Jarvik. Those are the REAL 'biohackers' who are creating REAL cybernetics: an artifical heart, an insulin pump, more advanced prosthetic limbs, and so forth.

Guys like that will never appeal to the kind of people who read this blog and serve as its echo chamber. Kamen and Jarvik are guys who wear slacks and a tie every day; not the kind of people that college-aged kids who fetishize about William Gibson and sci-fi in general would really be interested in.

But hey, keep on believing that you're shaking up the biomedical establishment with your kitchen-table mutilations where you give yourself a new piercing.

spoon said...

@Anonymous of 20:13

We're (hopefully) starting a more disciplined, research based community. You'd be interested to know that our disclaimer insists that our work is not medical research.

Here are a few comparisons to illustrate the differences between what I'm setting out to do, and what say, a prosthetics researcher does. I hope it clears some things up, and will make you feel less angry!

A prosthetics researcher creates devices which help improve the quality of life of people who are ill, or disabled.

I aim to create devices that provide extra sensory input, for people who like piercings.

Medical devices must be extremely safe: their failure could kill the patient.
They must pass stringent safety tests. Removing a device, such as a pacemaker, isn't exactly trivial.

My devices will be placed in the skin: no deeper than implants used in regular body-modification. Safety is still a concert: they must conform to guidelines for piercer's jewelery.

Unlike a pacemaker, a failed implant can be removed without hospitalization.


Because of the safety requirements, and the complexity of medical devices, the cost of such things is astronomical.

For me, it would be grand if I could sell bits of computerized jewelery for £20-£50 each :) Then again, I plan to give away my designs, for free! Maybe I'll sell kits...

Ever see a dialysis machine kit for £20?

A medical device is serious thing: it is not for fun.

The running example of a pacemaker isn't a fun thing. Fuck, it regulates your heart-beat to stop you dying. Well, I guess being alive is fun.

My aim is to create tiny, fun, implants which can be installed by any piercer!
Here's a fun example: implanted homing beacons for you and your lover.
Here's another: an alarm clock you just can't fucking ignore!

The point about scrapyard transhumanism is that it honestly isn't a big deal:

"Please don't go thinking this will make you into cyber-man...this is very crude, very hacky transhumanism"
-- Lepht

spoon said...

Hey I'm sorry, blogger gave me an error when I posted those comments! Told me it was too long.... bug?

Raoul Duke said...

Hmm, there is a story about a man looking at fallen apples, looking at the tree; and finaly found a gravity. He got results by just gettin involved with the matter.

I understand you want to dismantle 'REAL', but i get your point; please accept mine too: tatoos from the studio are fine art (atm), tatoos made in jail are sloppy - is the first or the second a real one?

science depends on people, who stand up and try something out.

spoon said...


I disagree: science is a very strict process, especially in quantitative disciplines!

Kuro said...

@ the last Anonymous:
To use an analogy in a field probably more familiar to 27c3 attendees/Wired/io9 readers, whichever you are, you're comparing the equivalent of IBM to a hackerspace. One is far more advanced, and, yes, respectable, than the other, but the aims differ; only the means are similar.

Raoul Duke said...


Hehe, definition of science - that could open a whole new blog ^^

I think everyone learned at school how to do experiments; with all the data log and the reproducibility as condition; not so important for myself, i look into home improvement solutions. Every problem can be solved, you just have to start thinkin about it (and may the workbench with you ;) ); but isn't this the starting point of science?



Doloras LaPicho said...

Hi, was pointed towards your blog by a commenter on my own. The comments on the Wired article (and the anon comments from above) remind me of the adage that "criticism always says more about the critic than the target" - i.e. there's so much bile and anger there that surely your experiments with your body couldn't be provoking alone. Why does what you're doing upset them so much, regardless of whether they approve of it, think it's good science, etc? I wonder what it is that they're really angry at.

Best of luck, and keep yourself as safe as you can.

Vox Doom said...

Keep on being groovy. If there was a less painful way to do what you're doing I'd be on it like a shot.

Gabriel Cooper said...

I am very impressed with your bravery and spirit of discovery. Thank you for taking the risk in trying this out... and the risk in talking about it!

Please don't let detractors get you down.

Brandon said...

De-lurking again to give my support.

Director X said...

To one of the Anons who posted here...
Just wanted to comment on "the kind of people who read this blog "...

I think you will find that the people who read this blog are a pretty diverse bunch. Also, I think you will be surprised by the ambitious biohack projects that will be undertaken in 2011. Many of these projects will be done by people who are not compelled by their employers to wear slacks and members-only jackets to work.

Kevin Warwick, Jarvik, etc., are great heroes to many of us. I don’t think anyone here will dispute that. The problem with modern cybernetics is that it is currently only pursuing the cripple markets. Everyone loves to see a guy with a missing eyeball regain his eyesight with a robotic eye. It gives everybody warm fuzzy feelings. But if you try to be proactive and threaten to put out an eye for the chance to have a robotic eye with night vision....everybody starts screaming. Cybernetics for vanity, utility, extrasensory, and recreational applications are developing FAR behind demand. When they do become available, it is likely that they will be outrageously priced, deeply regulated, and obsolete by the time the patents are approved.

It is up to the biohack community to fill the gap on the supply/demand scale.

Finally, I'd encourage you to read the book "next" by Michael Lewis. It paints a good picture of what is happening here, and what will continue to happen in most sectors.

Ewidge said...

UGH! Sorry, sorry, sorry for the io9 community's shitty response. I swear we're not all like that.

I've been reading the archives of your blog since io9 posted the article. I won't call you a hero, for the reasons you knowingly post yourself, but you ARE amazing at what you do. Your drive is admirably, if possibly quixotic. Sensing electromagnetism and which way is north might not be the biggest pay-offs for surgery ever, but I understand that they're experiments driven by curiosity, perhaps as the first steps towards a more meaningful practical transhumanism. Too much of that is just talk.

Your detractors are making a huge mistake when they assume that you're an evangelist and that you want everyone mimicking every experiment you run. You're hardly on a soapbox in Times Square. I think the comparison to Marie Curie is apt. Not everyone should be playing with radioactive materials and it might do more harm to the scientist than good, but we can look back now and be impressed. Your average tool with an internet connection might attack you now. However, there's a chance albeit slim, but much larger than theirs, that history will remember you and remember you well.

(Also, a thought from reading your blog: If anyone out there is capable of recognizing that waves of depression are just chemical imbalances and don't mean shit, it's you. For everyone else trying to deal with them, keep on proving that they can be overcome. Even your non-sciency posts make you sound like a good person. It'd suck to lose you or have you back to cutting without some badass mad science behind it.)

Keep grinding.

John_NY said...


Amazing. I'm reading/watching your work in bits and pieces (vasovagal response is a bitch), and am amazed. At your age my self-destructive tenancies did zilch to advance science. Stay safe, even when you don't feel like it and know that life gets better. I hope you can put off going into the great big nothing long enough to do some good work, whatever you end up doing (even if it's totally unrelated to implants).

You're amazing, dude.

Emme Ci said...

Hello, I kind of admire your efforts even thought I don't plan on trying anything on myself. But since it looks like you are doing a FAQ I have a question for you. What about pain addiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_addiction)? Have you ever considered you may be developing one?

faceless internet spirit said...

The ideas about this stuff have spread all over the world. There is a hype right now, with Lepht largely in the center. It will die down in less then a month likely. The end result will be many more people knowing about, being interested in, and actively involved with this stuff.

@spoon: Lepht is likely getting a ton of email questions that could all be answered by having either a website or a wiki. Even a forum would work. Of course it would be possible to have all 3 together if so desired. I think any one is a good idea and would be willing to help.

But then we have to determine under who's name the domain and host services will be registered, as well as other various technicalities. And does Lepht even want to be apart of this website, or even lead it, if it is made? Maintaining a website for a community is a responsibility that I would advise be carefully contemplated before beginning.

hat said...

Do you know if magnets interact at all with touchscreen phones? I'm interested in getting some but have an iphone that I'm basically symbiotic with.

H+ Guy said...

Hmmmm, most of the people talking about the compass don't seem to have understood part of the appeal.
I quote "Because of the plasticity of the brain, it has been shown that most wearers gain a new sense of absolute direction, giving them a superhuman ability to navigate their surroundings."

H+ Guy said...

Also, i'm really, really curious whether a blind person would be able to make better use of a northpaw as without sight s/he has less frame of reference for which direction s/he is headed. Maybe. Or a deaf person with the neodymium magnets, could they help compensate for sound? Probably not for that one, i doubt sound effects magnetism.
Though they might help them to tell if say an electric car is right behind them, or a person with a smartphone. Really depends on how sensitive the little magnetic buggers are.
Bloggers, discuss

faceless internet spirit said...

The ideas of this stuff are spreading around the world. There is a hype now, with Lepht largely in the center. In about a month the hype will die. The end result will be the same: more people know about, are interested in, and/or actively pursue this stuff.

@spoon: Most of the questions that people are likely asking Lepht could be answered by having a website or wiki. I think it's a good idea. I would also be willing to help set it up. Who would own it though? You? Lepht hasn't stated any desire that I know of to take on the responsibilities of maintaining a community website. Perhaps some free wiki or forum would be sufficient at the moment?

Anonymous said...

I have to say, I'm impressed with your self-surgery and DIY ethic and wish i had the guts to make internal alterations.

Director X said...

@hat: I have a magnet implanted and have had no problems with touch screen devices.

@H+ guy: There are some cool haptic radar devices in the works that you might like:


These will be subdermal at some point. They have a few good videos of the device too.

Dranorter said...

@emme ci, it doesn't appear that there is any such thing as pain addiction. The Wikipedia article you cited mentions vaguely that there isn't very much supporting research, and the only source it cites for the existence of the idea is poorly spelled and doesn't intend the literal meaning, 'addicted to pain', but instead is (quite illogically) acting as if addiction to painkillers & addiction to anger or stress are all the same type of addiction.

Pain is one of those basic things about the brain we can't change our reaction to.

Unqualified to speak said...

Dranorter: tell that to the masochists.
And the adrenaline junkies!

Ewidge said...

@H+ Guy: They would help the blind and deaf, but keep in mind that it would help non-handicapped people too in the same way. There isn't a five-sense cap on humanity and these implants weren't designed to fill the gaps left when people only have four. A particularly direction-dumb person might benefit more from northpaw than an average blind person. However, I see where you're coming from. In general, northpaw might be even more useful for the blind than for the sighted. It would definitely be helpful.

Your example of deaf people probably wouldn't work because, if they were that sensitive, they'd get readings from everywhere. Also, there'd be little sense of direction. Now a directional haptic device, much like northpaw but purpose-built for warning people of on-coming cars, could work if the cars broadcast a unique signal...

Anonymous said...

just watched your 27c3 talk on youtube.
by definition you are the first person to really tinker around with her body which is almost equally to a wetware hacker.
all you need is more knowledge about medicine, implants and electronics.
(i think i'll choose a very similar path to enhance my senses)

greetings A.

Unqualified to speak said...

@Ewidge: they do. Some car types are recognisable by their engine noise. I don't know if a FFT or something would produce an identifiable signature for a particular car - but then, no-one particularly needs to know it's a 1.2 litre Ford approaching, they just need to know distance, direction, and speed - all of which should be findable with a couple of microphones and some processing (direction-finding and Doppler shift; both old, solved problems). How to output that in a usable format, however, is a completely different story.

Lepht said...

too many things here to respond to all: thanks for all your support, it means a lot to me.

(i don't live with my parents, call myself a cyborg or use their money for anything other than emergency transport to the 27c3. google before you post, fail troll.)

Fred - you ought to extend that array. only one has less reception, you're missing out.

Ian - most people have trouble with my gender identity at all, but i am incredibly thankful for those who try to use the right pronoun at all. one of my main reasons for not revealing my chromosomal sex was that people would "decide" that i was a "girl" and refer to me with female pronouns, which are wrong.

mydnight - thankyou, very much. that is much smaller than my initial candidate. i owe you.


Unqualified to speak said...

@Lepht: Using "it" to refer to someone feels to me like denying their personhood. I come from a livestock-farming background, where even animals that won't get to live a full year get a gendered pronoun.
Thus why I refer to you by name so much. There's always a work-around. ",)

Will May said...

Lepht, you are inspiring.

Lepht said...

Unq - i've heard that a lot, also from people who work with children who've been damaged by being referred to as "it" by abusive parents. it's a real shame that there isn't a people-exclusive, non-derogatory neutral personal pronoun. in the wake of this, i still use "it" and not "gxi" or any of the constructed pronouns, since even less people would understand if i did that. workarounds are good too, since you clearly aren't a moron and do understand that i don't think i'm "below" gendered people or "undeserving" of a gendered pronoun; i just don't have a gender.

Skeptikos - thanks.

Ian - "more evolved"? wat. in no way am i "more" evolved than any other homo sapiens. indeed i don't think it has anything to do with evolution, which is a macro-sized process affecting species - you can't make yourself evolve. we are all examples of one stage in the evolution of our species, not - urgh - nevermind, i need a drink.


ianmathwiz7 said...

@L: ikr? i don't think the term "more evolved" even makes the slightest amount of sense, because every individual is just as "evolved" as the next. evolution just refers to change over time to become more suited to one's environment. this troll obviously understands evolution about as much as creationists.

which reminds me; you still haven't done another creationist-bashing post :-)

Unqualified to speak said...

@Lepht: yeah, it's entirely my head being unreasonable. Still doesn't mean I wouldn't feel way dodgy saying it, though.
I have to read The Uplift War again; I know it had a bunch of gender (and species: what do you call a captain when they're a dolphin? (",))-neutral honorifics, but I can't remember if he used any pronouns. Also, because it's a great book. (",

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Anonymous said...

Stop hack the program!!!

Lord Tharg XII Of Traxia aka The Dixie Flatline aka so much other bullshit your mind would hurted even trying to work me out as per screen names. said...

I think you are braver than I could ever ever ever be.

I'll stick to external gear.

No way in hell I can emulate you, but your meat is your meat, and even if what you do I would not, and honestly it scares me a bit, ITS YOUR MEAT to demeat as you like.

Unknown said...

It's all very interesting what you're doing. You're one of first people I read about a while back doing those bodyhacks.
I always was fascinated with cyberpunk and the idea of implanting electronics and other things into the body to enhance its abilities.

Actually I'm a medical student soon to finish the studies to become a medical doctor, also obviously interested in electronics, cybernetics and robotics - I hope in future it'll be possible for me to become a sort of 'cyberdoc' - creating, testing and implanting various electronic devices to people - though legal limitations say I can't do it just right away - but I believe the way is somewhere in there, to be reached.
Someone has to try to create a 'mainstream' way to do it all instead of home-made bodyhacking, which we all can probably agree - isn't safe nor pleasant, especially without anesthetics ;P

Anyway, I'm open to theoretically discuss anything around the topic of implants and how its done in medical uses (I'm pretty sure you know your surgery skills are awful, Lepht and could improve a slight bit ;P ) and how one could theoretically do it to make it safer and better...
Of course I couldn't discuss anything from practical side - I obviously can't help anyone do anything illegal (and while fiddling with your own body is legal, doing it to others is not, especially for doctors - doctors can do it only in scientifically proven way or have to get special permissions for medical experiments).

And going a bit offtopic - as a person considering myself having both male and female mind traits I'll say - stay interesting. Normals aren't ;)

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